Logic Masters Deutschland e.V.

am 8. Mai 2022, 01:11 Uhr von Vebby
Fantastic series! My favourite was Ten-Legged Spider. Thanks Evan! :)

am 8. Juli 2021, 09:57 Uhr von bigger
Just asking, where's the 20 puzzle link, and when. (plz, don't be on discord) I really want to see what the best 20 is

am 3. Juli 2021, 09:06 Uhr von polar
Thank you for this lovely series! Have very much enjoyed them - still need to get my hook into the 6th one though :)

Look forward to seeing what you come up with next - your arrow series is a work of (fiendish) art to me!

am 3. Juli 2021, 06:57 Uhr von Tom1i
@aneoid: That is the most foolish comment from you yet.

Of course I think new setters should be allowed room to practice. To suggest otherwise is just nonsense. But what you are arguing is akin to saying that every art gallery is the same. If I were a new artist, I wouldn't expect my paintings to get into the most prestigious gallery right away. There has to be a place where solvers can go to look for the real challenges, they will remember for a long time. Where setters can get an honest opinion on their work and feel pride, if it was well received. And sure there is some ego in that.
Using the word ego is pretty bad though, since it literally means 'I'. It is more of a collective setter-ego for me, and I suspect many of us. You should read my comments on puzzles such as 'Devil's Diamonds' by @faddy, 'Parity Pandemonium' by @DanjerBob, 'Plato's Primes' by @steelwool. Especially 'Parity Pandemonium' got me really sad - a new setter who put a lot (a lot a lot!!) of work into a good puzzle, but only got one solve.
That is what this site is about for me. A shared - call it setter-ego if you will (though puzzle-ego might be more correct). I just love great puzzles.
There is a reason, channels like CtC look here for content and not in FranksRandomPuzzleEmporium. You might also want to ask yourself, why @FryTheGuy chose here as one of the places to test his new ideas. Do you think, he has no pride or ego about his puzzles? Do you think he would wish for his ideas to go fairly untested without anyone noticing?

#EDIT: And reporting people for speaking their mind without offending anyone... I mean. Hmmmm.

#EDIT2: And you are jumping around in your argumentation. To say that I DISCOURAGE SETTERS (you wrote it that way) is just plain false. I highly encourage setters to post their puzzles here - new and experienced setters alike. Just not all of them or at a rapid pace.
And to say I discouraged the contest is also false. I pointed to ways in which it could be conducted so as not to offend, and still get some of the best results published.
And finally saying that you do not wish to hear any arguments against your post is like a child covering their ears and shouting lalalala. Did you expect me not to comment after that barrage and after reporting me?

am 3. Juli 2021, 03:56 Uhr von cdwg2000
@FryTheGuy @aneoid

Regarding the quality of puzzles, the frequency of puzzle publishing, and flooding issues, you can go to the portal forum to discuss, thank you! I am a puzzle solver who likes to challenge, and I do not reject puzzles of any difficulty (including Sudoku). Higher puzzle quality is my first choice, so I will pay more attention to those who can publish fascinating puzzle makers regularly. It is understandable for the outstanding puzzle producers attracted through CTC, Twitter, Facebook and other platforms to prove their strength in LMD. If possible, it is recommended to answer some of the high-scoring problems of other authors first. For the new variant rule set, you may need to be patient. If possible, you can "Step by step" to make a simple enough puzzle introduction rule set. I think, as long as the rule set is concise enough and can be expanded, it will definitely attract More puzzle solvers and even other puzzle producers are paying attention. This is just a suggestion of mine, no offense. I also hope to see more excellent works from you, thank you!

am 3. Juli 2021, 01:33 Uhr von aneoid
TL;DR: This message is for FryTheGuy and while everyone else is welcome to read it, I do not need nor want anyone else's feedback, pro or con.

FryTheGuy: I am so very sorry and truly and humbly apologize if I played any part in your decision to end the contest.

My original well wishes and respect for what you've created and your desire to see it grow and thrive are stronger than ever.

That ANYONE discourages setters and publishers on this website when there are NO RULES for publishing is reprehensible, and I have emailed the website asking for them to do something.

Imagine if we told a child who was just learning the piano that they could only practice once a week because we didn't want to hear it? Or how about limiting someone to reading a book a week because maybe someone else wants to read a book? Those arguments make no sense, and neither do the ones I read on here.

I've actually seen the argument that setters will have an ego crisis if they don't see their puzzle on the first page for a long enough period of time. Or how about the argument that there are two or three pages of puzzles to weed through in a day will discourage setters or solvers?

This is the nonsense spouted to DISCOURAGE SETTERS from publishing puzzles.

"We discourage YOU, Mr. Setter, because another setter MIGHT be discouraged and have a bruised ego or a solver might have to click to another page."

We grow through experience. You are growing as a setter by publishing puzzles and getting feedback. The anchor puzzle will possibly grow more mainstream when more setters attempt it and probably take it to other sites as well.

You did NOTHING WRONG, and the only people lowering the quality of puzzles posted on LMG are the ones who caused you to drop the contest and limit your publishing, IN MY OPINION.

Even though dissuaded, please do not get discouraged.

I'm discouraged enough for us both right now, and I cannot even solve your type of puzzle let alone compete setting one.

Thank you for your hard work and effort, your time and patience, persistence and perseverance, and your desire to enrich other people's lives not only with your puzzles, but with your actual MONEY.

You are beyond FryTheGuy in my esteem--you are the man!

am 3. Juli 2021, 00:52 Uhr von FryTheGuy
Removed the contest. Added details for a new contest that hopefully is a less controversial way to give away money.

Please send me puzzle suggestions for the new contest!

am 2. Juli 2021, 23:40 Uhr von Tom1i
@aneoid: I agree 100% with everything you said. That will not prevent from speaking my mind however - if a moderator feels the need to ban me for that, then so be it.
You can not deny, that the collection of puzzles posted on this site is sublime and has been for a long time. Some of the best solvers come here and some of the best setters post here.
For me it all comes down to respect. I respect the site, so I try to only post puzzles that I feel have a high enough quality. I also respect the other setters and will keep my own postings limited to give their puzzles time to get solves. Obviously you see the site very differently - as a receptacle for any puzzle you can cram into it, and advocate users doing so.

am 2. Juli 2021, 20:29 Uhr von bigger
The problem is still the puzzle flood. It all comes down to what we expect from the flood. Sure we like to see a new variant. But not everyone would like to see the same new rule in the same page, especially when the rule is inherently hard. It happens before on this site, which is non-consecutive arrows, msls(on this site, set theory) and coloring 9 colors. I really hate it if I found different author used the same break in or create a downgrade solving experience.
Also, you can check the battlefield Sudoku, which is a variant that many setter involved in. I don't think a contest is the best way to promote the variant you like. Having different difficulty puzzles and iconic trick set is what make a new variant memorable.
I just hope whoever posting this variant here might at least check all the seven puzzle. Also, discord is not available everywhere but this site is.

am 2. Juli 2021, 20:24 Uhr von Tom1i
@Piatato: I was and am trying to be constructive. I don't think a contest is necessarily a bad idea. I just feel very strongly, that this site is very different to the discord. Did you see jovi_al's video on setting? They had an idea and spent a couple of days trying it out. Then they bounced it off of a couple of other setters to get some inspiration. Then they spent another couple of days putting a puzzle together and it was a masterpiece (featured on CtC as well). That is what this site is for me - not just a repository for random puzzles.

am 2. Juli 2021, 20:12 Uhr von Piatato
@Tom1i

People won't get paid just to post puzzles, because as far as I can see there's only three prizes. Anyway, I can see that you are simply trying to give constructive feedback. I do think, though, that you're wrong about how things will turn out. Did you f ex see an overflow of fairychess puzzles on LMD in May, when that was the monthly puzzle prompt at discord? I think people will only post their puzzles here if they're really happy with them, and in that case I see no issues.

am 2. Juli 2021, 19:38 Uhr von Tom1i
@Piatato: So you're saying, that paying people to post puzzles here and tag them with Anchor is completely normal procedure. And pointing out the potential pitfalls of this idea is extreme?

am 2. Juli 2021, 19:24 Uhr von Piatato
I don't know how you people manage to come up with all these extreme scenarios. FryTheGuy already wrote that people can send in the puzzles on discord, and if some setters make fun, interesting puzzles that they want to post here, then what's the problem?

am 2. Juli 2021, 18:56 Uhr von Tom1i
Do you really think, that this site is the best place to have a bunch of users send their versions of an experimental variant? I can see using the discord, or having people send puzzles to you and picking the very best to post here; I would even consider that a good idea. But having them all (or even just some of them before the best have been chosen) posted here seems like a terrible idea to me. You cannot treat this place like a personal inbox imo.
#EDIT: Perhaps users could send you puzzle-links in the comments?

am 2. Juli 2021, 14:13 Uhr von Piatato
Thank you for this great series of puzzles! It's been a fun challenge to try and comprehend all the different kinds of logic that ensues from the anchor constraints. I very much enjoyed all the puzzles, but if I have to choose, I think this last one is my favorite. It looks appealing, and the combination of simple (yet elegant) logic and more intricate (yet always fair and well telegraphed) interactions makes for a demanding, interesting and highly rewarding solve.
I hope that the constraint will find a bigger fan base eventually, but so far I'll have to admit that I get some pleasure from thinking of myself as one of the world's top five experts on something! xD

am 1. Juli 2021, 22:58 Uhr von FryTheGuy
@bigger

As aneoid said, I tried to be reasonable as I could with the contest. However, it is my first time doing something like this so it's possible it turns out to be a disaster.

am 1. Juli 2021, 19:57 Uhr von bigger
Really? That's a little bit too much to offer. I really hope it won't be that non-consecutive arrow situation again where quarter the first page is the same variant